Hot and loud

Jo and I went to a different club last night. We didn’t have very high expectations. Jack and Danielle told us they went there just for the “meet and greet” aspects. It wasn’t a very good to place for play.

We were disappointed in even that aspect. Most of the facility was way too warm and the room with the hot tub was very humid. The main socialization area had music and a dance floor but it was too loud to talk to people.

We saw and talked to a few people, including Jack and Danielle, we knew from other venues but no one new. We left by about 10:00 PM and were home in bed having sex with each other by 11:00.

Orgasm facts

15 facts about orgasms. Some were, like, “Well DUH!” But some were completely new to me. And many enhanced my knowledge of some things I already knew.

I did not know this:

11. “Coregasms” are real. Alfred Kinsey found that about 5% of the women he surveyed reported one or more such orgasms [2], with more recent studies finding even higher numbers. However, they’re perhaps more appropriately termed “exercise-induced orgasms” because women don’t just have them during core exercises—they can also have them during yoga, running, weight lifting, and even jazzercise.

I like number 13 the best:

13. Frequent orgasms are associated with better health. In fact, some research even suggests that orgasm may provide a boost to the immune system.

You aren’t feeling well? You are concerned you might pick up “Something going around the office?”

Then what you need are a bunch of orgasms. Let me help you with that!

We’ll have to try this

This sounds interesting:

there’s a lot of individual variability and some men and women like other positions (e.g., rear-entry, side by side, etc.), so I guess the real question is how do we define the “best” sexual position? Some might argue that the best position is one in which both partners reach orgasm at the same time. If we go with that definition, then the position of choice would probably be the coital alignment technique (CAT). The CAT has been studied extensively by scientists since the 1980s, and research has found that it significantly increases the likelihood of female orgasm during intercourse and enhances the odds of simultaneous orgasm.

think of the CAT as a modified missionary (i.e., man-on-top) position in which he leans his body forward to the point where the base of his penis touches the clitoris. The partners then “grind” or rock their pelvises back and forth so that his penis and her clitoris stay in constant contact. This stands in stark contrast to the typical in-and-out thrusting that you see in porn.

I frequently do put effort into getting the base of the penis to make contact with the clitoris but I hadn’t thought about doing the grinding motion to maintain contact. Jo and I will have to try this and see if we can make it work.

Is that weird? Part two

Last night Jo went to a concert her son was performing in. I went to our usual club alone.

I’ve been watching other men and it seems they touch the women a lot more than I do. It is a way to signal your interest and as long as it is not inappropriate touching it probably is appreciated by the women. Jo seems to like it so I have decided I need to do this more.

I saw Kim at the bar as I walked in. She was talking to some people and and as I walked past I patted her shoulder and smiled at her. She smiled back and kept talking to her friends.

I dumped off my pack with towel and robe in a locker and went to the snack area. I had some deep fried cheese and some melon slices for a snack and observed the people chatting in the lounge area. Tammy was looking particularly hot in a low cut gown and I complemented her on it but she might not have heard me because she didn’t respond.

The groups were sort of closed and I didn’t want to squirm my way into them, especially as a single guy. I went to the drink area and got myself a glass of lemonade. Joan came up to me and asked about Jo and how things were going for me and she told me about her new job. Her husband Sam came by and the three of us talked for quite a while. A single women I had never seen before came over and introduced herself. It turns out she wasn’t new. This was her first Wednesday party though. She barely talked but she listened as Joan, Sam, and I chatted away.

I saw Uriah walk by and I was pleased. We had really hit it off well the last time I saw her and I was thinking that maybe things could go a bit further this time.

People were sitting down with plates of food before Sam, Joan, and I decided it was time to get in line at the buffet table. I looked in the dining room for a table and saw Kim at an empty table but no Uriah. I asked if I could sit with her and she said, “Of course!” So I sat my glass of lemonade down and went to get food.

I sat with Kim and asked if she was going to do the Karaoke thing most of the night like she frequently does. She said she wanted to practice some for the competition on Saturday so she was going to do at least some. We chatted about her upcoming divorce. She has a court date finally and is looking forward to getting it over with. Elmer and Fran sat down across the table from me and we all chatted for a while.

Then Uriah asked if she could sit down beside me and I quickly agreed. It was almost like she was continuing the conversation from last time. She talked a lot about her boyfriend and how she was coming to the club, by herself, in part to make him happy. She enjoyed the dinner and enjoy the conversation but it was all just a little different and weird to her. Especially her boyfriend wanting her to have sex with other men.

Janice walked by and stopped to give me a big kiss and I squeezed her butt as she continued on to her table. Ahh… touching and kissing is so nice…

The Karaoke started and we couldn’t really talk and my back was facing the stage so I got up to refill my glass with lemonade and check my phone. Jo had texted me asking how traffic had been getting to the club and I texted back that it had been really slow and how it had taken me more than twice as long as usual to get to the club.

I went back into the dining area and chose a different chair on the other side of Uriah such that I could see the Karaoke and still be next to her. As I leaned forward to talk to her the front of my shoulder touched her the back of hers and she seemed to like the touch and we talked while continuing the touch. After a couple of songs I was getting cold and asked if she would like to go to the hot tub where we could talk better and I could get warmed up.

She agreed but said she wasn’t sure she wanted to do anything further. And that she hadn’t really planned on doing even that. The indoor hot tub was empty and so we could easily talk there. She talked and talked about her boyfriend. And what did it mean that he wanted her to have sex with other men, but he wouldn’t say he loved her? And she was coming to the club, by herself, to make him happy why wouldn’t he do little things for her to make her happy? One time when they came to the club together she wanted him to dance with her during one particular song and he refused. Why was that such a big deal to him? On two different occasions he had invited a friend over and telling them he wanted them to have sex with her and she did. He mostly watched. She had a good time but she wasn’t very comfortable with her boyfriend pushing it when she wasn’t all the interested until it got started. Did this mean he cared for her? Was this weird?

I told her about this blog and the blog post where I wrote about her and that I had probably explained things better in the post than I had when we last talked. She said she would definitely read it.

We talked for long time and three other people got in the hot tub with us but we ignored them and had our own conversation. Then without me seeing it coming she sat astraddle of me and gave me a big kiss. She pushed her breasts toward my face and I kissed them. We kissed and touched for a few minutes then I said I was getting too hot. The hot water below and her blocking the air flow around my upper body was causing some serious overheating. Plus a hot tub isn’t the most comfortable place to take care of the increasing arousal. We dried off and went off to the play area. We continued the talk and the touching. She told me she really liked oral sex and fucking. I ate on her for a while and she clearly enjoyed it but I was still very hot and couldn’t really get an erection even after her performing oral sex on me. We left that area and went to a different place that was somewhat cooler. Again I tried without any real success to get an erection and ended up performing more oral and manual sex. She really liked my “vibrator mode” fingers inside of her and squirted profusely. Gretchen who was nearby listening and sometimes watching commented, “Good job!” After a few minutes my arms were tired and we went back to talking.

This was the first time she had sex with someone other than her boyfriend at the club. She was still trying to understand everything. She had only had about seven or eight sex partners in her entire life (she is in her fifties) and most of those had been in the last four or five years. She enjoyed this and was looking forward to telling her boyfriend all about it. She was sure he would be pleased and proud of her. She kept saying that she expected a sex club to be scary and uncomfortable but she felt strangely at ease and comfortable. Even having sex with other people watching and sometime commenting. And with someone other than her boyfriend who she didn’t really know that well. And having sex with someone so that she could go home and tell her boyfriend all the details? Wow! Is that weird? She was sort of beginning to understand. It isn’t all that weird. It’s entirely natural and comfortable for some people. It’s only weird because for many decades she didn’t know people actually did that and that the expected standard was that if you had sex with someone other than your one committed partner then you should be shamed and rejected instead of sharing and enjoying the experience.

After a while I asked her to eat on me some and she was happy to do so. As the evening progressed the play area had cooled down some and I was more comfortable with her and I was eventually able to get an erection and we had intercourse. She was enthusiastic and after a few minutes we both came and l was a sweaty mess as I lay down for a few minutes more to talk. She was very pleased and certain that telling her boyfriend all the details was going to be rewarding.

We knew it was getting late but not how late. I checked the time. It as 11:20! We hurriedly gathered our stuff and left. I took a quick shower, put on my clothes, and walked with her across the dark parking lot to our cars.

Jo had texted me a few minutes after I had last texted her and asked if I had any prospects. It was now 11:30 and I decided that it was too late to text back. She was surely asleep by now and I didn’t want to wake her.

Separate rooms

Last night Jo and I went to the house party again (our first and second visits). As we anticipated Jack and Danielle were there. We talked to them and quite a few other people but before long Jack asked us if we wanted “to take the upstairs tour”. Of course he meant that as in invitation to have sex with Danielle and him.

We were hoping that would work out so we all went upstairs to the bedrooms. Danielle said that one of things they didn’t ask when we met them for drinks was what we were “into”. She prefers to be in separate rooms. Jo and I had never done that but I was okay with it and Jo said it was fine with her too so Jack and Jo went into one bedroom and Danielle and I went into another.

We got undressed and laid down on the bed together. She explained that she just felt better not seeing and hearing Jack when he was having sex with another woman. I told her that I enjoyed watching Jo with another man but I can understand how it might be better for some people to be in separate rooms.

She started asking questions about what we thought about the meeting we had on Thursday evening and that lead to a bunch of questions about my mentally ill ex-wife, and she told stories about people she knew with mental health issues. She told me how incredibly beautiful Jo is and how she should emphasize her height instead of sometimes trying to minimize it. She talked about how they “go hunting” for compatible couples at a party. It was a great conversation. We ended up just talking for probably 30 minutes or more while people came and went in the bedroom. Some talked for a bit with us or commented on how nice we looked together.

Finally  she said, “Why don’t we go see what they are doing?” So we got up and went to the doorway of the other bedroom to watch Jack and Jo having sex for a while. Then we went back to “our” bedroom and she told me, “Make your move.” I laughed and told her she could “make her move too”. So we started the foreplay much more earnestly than just the simple stroking of breasts, chests, arms and legs.

Just as we were staring to have intercourse Jack came in to use the bathroom accessible through our bedroom and commented, “You guys still aren’t done?” We laughed and continued to do our thing.

After we were done we put our clothes back on and went downstairs to mingle some more. Jo was dancing with some other women and occasionally a guy or three. I checked in with her and she said she had a good time with Jack and “would do that again”.

We chatted with a bunch of different people. These included:

Plus several other people that were becoming familiar faces from our visits.

It was interesting talking to Kathy. This was their second party ever. The first was at the hotel where we met them the first time. She was telling some other people that the previous party was the first time she had sex with anyone other than her husband in 22 years and that it was with me. Jack overheard and said, “It must have been good because you are here!” She asked me a bunch of questions and made observations about how difficult it is to find people that you are both attracted to and they are attracted to you. I agreed and said that Jo and I will sometimes go to a half dozen or more parties without playing with anyone other than each other. “Oh good!”, she said, “I don’t feel so bad about being picky then.” I shared what I could which I thought would help her come up to speed on how things work and how to be successful and not get into uncomfortable situations.

Jo got many more offers to have sex but she turned them down. About 10:30 she asked if I was ready to go home, and did I want to play again with her here or when we get home. And I said, “Why not both?” “Oh! That could work too.”, she replied. So we went back upstairs to one of the bedrooms. Calvin and Jerri were there with another couple and Frank and Kathy were there by themselves, except for the dozen or so other people in the room. Jo and I had sex with each other and watched other people as we did. Then we drove the 90 minutes home, went to bed, had sex again. When we woke up late this morning we again had sex.

We were pleased with the party. We had a really nice time.

Quote of the week: Patrycja

I dragged my husband here after I got tired of getting in trouble for cheating on him.  Now I couldn’t drag him away.  He’s upstairs having sex with one of his teachers from school now.

Patrycja
October 28, 2000
At a swingers party house.

Patrycja was a very interesting woman. It was fascinating to watch her “work” the men around her at the sex club. She would flirt a little bit and then ask them to do something for her. It could be to bring her a snack or jump in the pool and they would do it. She had them under her control as if they were puppets. She made a “ton” of money as a stripper which is where I suspect she perfected her skills of manipulation.

Meeting for drinks

Last March Jo and I had a great time at a house party. One of the couples we talked, to but didn’t play with, was Jack and Danielle. They were the couple that had been married for 40 years and in the lifestyle since the mid-1990’s. A while after the party they contacted us via a swinger website we belong to and wanted to get together for “drinks” sometime. Our schedules finally meshed and we met them at a restaurant last night.

We talked for nearly three hours. It was really pleasant. We talked about our kids, our homes, and about how we got into the lifestyle, different clubs we had been to, house parties, and all kinds of things.

What Jo and I independently decided was that one of the main motivations for them contacting us was that they have their own house parties and they were evaluating whether we would fit in with their other friends. I’m pretty sure we passed.

They had seen on the website where we had RSVP’d to attend the same house party this weekend and they were going too. They said they were looking forward to seeing us there. And also while Danielle and I excused ourselves to visit in the restrooms (separately no playing around or anything) before driving home Jack asked Jo if there was any chance of them getting to play with us. Jo told him that it probably could happen. She wasn’t entirely sure how I felt about Danielle so she didn’t make any strong assurances. I found her attractive, smart, and interesting to talk to and I was fine with them as a couple so I expect we will sometime get together with them.

Today we got another message from them via the swinger website saying they really enjoyed talking to us too and they hope to see us this weekend, if not then they want to get together sometime soon.

We are looking forward to it.

Jo gets another hall pass

I was out of town this weekend and Jo was home with her kids. The club was having a three day party for Memorial Day weekend and she decided to get away from the kids and house to have a little fun on Sunday night. She went to the club by herself again (the first time was documented here).

This time there weren’t any single men she was interested in. She hung out with Tom & Mary and Andy & Ronda, and talked to Rocky for quite a while. She also danced with a few other guys.

Tom was quite interested in her and did a lot of rubbing against her on the dance floor. But she wasn’t at all certain Mary would be okay with her playing with Tom. She learned a lot about Ronda we didn’t know before. From their profile on the club website it would appear they were interested in finding others to play with both at the club and outside the club. And as they live near to us, and are very attractive, we thought it would be a good match for us. But it turns out that Ronda had a bad previous relationship, has some some serious trust issues, and doesn’t want anyone other than Tom being intimate with her. And isn’t really comfortable with Tom being with another woman either.

One of the interesting things that came out of the discussion was that Ronda expressed surprise that Jo would go to the club by herself. “You are so brave!” she told Jo. “Did you tell Bob you were going?”, she asked. Jo told her she had and that she had come to the club before and had an experience she didn’t think she could ever top. And then when I came home we “had sex about 45 times.” That was a bit of an exaggeration but it certainly captured the sentiment of what happened when I came home. Ronda just couldn’t understand that even though Tom agreed with the likelihood of that happening. I wish I could have been there to explain it.

There was one guy that really, really wanted to play with Jo, but she was not interested in, and she had to be a little insistent, while still being polite, to extract herself from his attention. She left and went home early without ever going into the play area. I was a bit disappointed but understood the feeling she expressed of being a third wheel with all the couples and few single men none of which were interesting to her.

Is that weird?

Jo and I went to our usual club last night. It had been a long time due to various life events that got in the way of our recreational activities as well as checking out the other club.

We chatted with Tim for while at the snack table. We are very unlikely to play with him and his wife Candy because some of his sexual preferences are outside of our comfort zone. He is usually very interesting to talk to but this time he appeared to be stoned or something.

We then hung out at the bar with Sean for a while before dinner. We have had a moderate interest in him and his wife Martha for quite some time but never have been able to follow up on it. Martha was late getting there and he was still waiting for her to arrive when we went to the buffet table for dinner. So we ended up looking for someone else interesting to sit with. There wasn’t much of real interest but we finally selected a table with a couple and a single woman. We didn’t recognize any of them and thought maybe they were brand new.

It turns out it was the very first time for the woman, Cynthia,  who was part of the couple. Her male friend, Aaron, had been a member for several years but did a lot of travel, world-wide, and sometimes doesn’t attend for months at a time. The single woman,  Uriah, usually attends with her boyfriend but he had been encouraging her to come without him and this was her first time doing so.

The three of them were happily involved in conversation when we arrived but they quickly included us. They wanted to know if Uriah’s boyfriend should have told her “I love you” after four years together. She wasn’t sure if it was a reasonable expectation. They knew they would never get married and they weren’t living together. But the consensus was that he “needed to be talked to.” Jo volunteered. I think she would do it too. He better watch out the next time he shows up when we are around.

Uriah told us that she comes to the club to make her boyfriend happy. She enjoys herself, but it is mostly because her boyfriend likes to see her be with someone else. He doesn’t have an interest in other women, just watching her with other men, “Is that weird?”, she asked.

I told her there were evolutionary reasons for him to enjoy that. I enjoyed it too. And that I didn’t think it was all that weird once you understood. She didn’t understand and wanted me to explain.

I told her about something I had read about there being multiple solution to evolutionary problems. There is a “problem” when the spouse of a male has sex with someone other than that male because they are at risk of providing support for someone that does not pass on their genes. Hence anger, driving off the other male, and punishing the female reduce this risk and are a solution to this problem. But there is a another solution that also works. And that is for the male to displace the semen of the other male with that of his own. There is physiological evidence of this solution in the shape of the male penis. It is scoop like and when moved back and forth in the vagina moves material from the inside to the outside of the vagina. There is further evidence of this solution being used in that men who suspect his female partner has been having sex with someone else has greater ejaculate volume than a man that does not suspect that. And greater still if he has seen her with another man.

She protested, “But neither of us want to have any more children. So how can that be what he is thinking?” “It’s not a rational thought process”, I countered.

It is something very deep down in the brain that is beyond anything you are consciously aware of. It’s what the man feels. He feels excited and wants to have sex with the woman he has seen have sex with another male. He then ejaculates more and perhaps gets more pleasure from the experience. He doesn’t know why he feels that way but it happens. It has been solving an evolutionary problem since perhaps before our ancestors were sentient.

Aaron chipped in telling Cynthia, “I would love to see you have sex with another man!”

What I would like to know is if all men have both “solutions” built in and can “turn on and off” which one solution is implemented in a given situation. Or do they have just one solution? Can someone who explodes in a jealous rage when their spouse has sex with another be “reprogramed” to take advantage of that for the mutual pleasure of everyone involved?

It was Trivia night at the club and Aaron and Cynthia left to go to the play area soon after the Trivia answer sheets were handed out. Uriah, Jo, and I played and our team tied for second place. Uriah and I continued talking through the trivia game and it was pretty obvious she was interested in me. But without someone for Jo I didn’t encourage it much. When the trivia game was over Jo and I got up and Uriah did as well saying something like, “Well, at least I came by myself, talked with people and had dinner.” I interpreted this as her wanting to know if we, or I, were going to invite her to the play area. I told her that I enjoyed talking to her and hoped to see her there again sometime.

Jo and I went off to the play area together. We saw Aaron and Cynthia having sex together and a few others. But we just played with each other and then went home somewhat early.