Creating lust

This is an interesting talk on love and lust. Probably the most interesting part to me was how to create lust in a long term relationship. It starts at 10:00 minutes into the video:

Newness, surprise, mystery, and arousal producing activities are the three keys to increasing lust. Arousal isn’t just sexual arousal. Scary movies, roller coasters, etc. also produce arousal.

Sex clubs, sex parties, and playing with other couples produce all three and enhance lust in your loving long term relationship.

H/T to Justin J Lehmiller.

Coming out

The O Face Podcast  just released Episode 13: Coming Out. I left a comment there but I thought it was appropriate for a blog post as well:

I’ve been in the lifestyle for over 37 years now but for some reason I have always been a little bit reserved about coming out to friends and family even though the experiences have all been fine. My last parent recently died and I’m now at the point of I don’t care anymore. I’m not going to broadcast it on my vanilla blog or Facebook, but the extent of my openness is going to be determined by the comfort level of my girlfriend. And since she recently brought her brother to the club that is a pretty low threshold.

My two daughters “figured it out on their own” and confronted my ex-wife about our lifestyle choices. They just bluntly asked, “Are you and Dad swingers?” They just wanted to know. My ex told them yes and they said it was fine if we did that sort of thing but they would never do it.

Over the years I have come out to about a half dozen friends and co-workers with zero negative repercussions. But those were pretty carefully chosen people. I wouldn’t have come out to someone who I didn’t think was going to be receptive to the idea, so it is a biased sample.

The scariest time was when swinger friends of ours got divorced and there was a child custody battle. The woman getting divorced claimed she was forced into the lifestyle and my ex and I had to testify in court. Our kids were still at home at the time and we had concerns there might be child welfare visits to our home or something. It didn’t happen but those were some of the nightmares we had about that experience.

Number of sexual partners

Dr. Justin Lehmiller gave his blog post the title Some People’s Brains May Be “Wired” To Seek More Sex. He says:

What these results tell us is that people’s brains seem to respond to sexual imagery in very different ways. For some people (i.e., those with more partners), the brain appears to be highly sensitive to all sexual cues, whether they are mild or intense. However, for others (i.e., those with fewer partners), the threshold for sexual arousal is set much higher, meaning that it takes a strong cue to elicit a strong response. Because these differences in brain sensitivity were related to previous number of sex partners, these findings raise the provocative possibility that the way our brains are “wired” to respond to sexual cues could potentially be a key factor in explaining why some people pursue more sexual partners than others.

But I am siding with the skeptics in the comments. Especially SandraL who said:

The conclusions being drawn here seem to be making unproven assumptions about correlation and causality. Are people more likely to seek out sexual experiences because they’re more stimulated by explicit sexuality, or are people more stimulated by explicit sexual images because their brains have been primed by frequent sexual experiences in the past year?

I know there has been a fair amount of desensitization to my sexual interest over the years. I have seen and participated in so many group sex situations that it seems pretty ordinary and natural to me. This was certainly not the case when I was in my late teens.

I think more research on this topic is needed.

Quote of the week—Betty Dodson

We can be mentally excited by the prospect of sex, but in order to be physically aroused, we need up to twenty minutes (or more) of quality clitoral touching in order to be fully turned on.

That’s when vaginal walls plump up and get covered with a slippery mucous and we urgently want your penis inside us for a long slow hot deep fuck. We might even want a second lover to fill in while you’re resting. Alas, that’s the scary part of loving a sexually liberated woman. Only sexually secure men can handle this.

Betty Dodson
April 5, 2014
In Search of the Female Orgasm

Dodson frequently has some insightful things to say. But I sometimes get annoyed with her when she makes far too general of statements. This is one of those times.

I know many women become fully aroused, slippery wet, and asking for entry without 20 minutes of clitoral stimulation. I concede I have a biased sample. Dodson may be correct with a more typical woman but it certainly isn’t universal.

Female promiscuity and economic dependence

I found the article Why So Many People Care So Much About Others’ Sex Lives interesting. It referenced this study which concluded:

At the individual level, perceived female economic dependence explained significant variance in anti-promiscuity morality, even after controlling for variance explained by age, sex, religiosity, political conservatism, and the anti-promiscuity views of geographical neighbors. At the state level, median female income was strongly negatively related to anti-promiscuity morality and this relationship was fully mediated by perceived female economic dependence. These results were consistent with the view that anti-promiscuity beliefs may function to promote paternity certainty in circumstances where male parental investment is particularly important.

That would imply that people would be more likely to participate in the lifestyle when women are more likely to have their own jobs and able to support themselves. It is certainly true that nearly all of the women I know in the lifestyle have their own jobs. But I don’t know that much about women who are not in the lifestyle. It could be that most of the women I happen to know are capable of being independent.

Drinks

Monday evening Jo and I met Paul and June for drinks. They are the couple we met at club and sat in the hot tub at Club Pyrite last Wednesday. They live fairly close to us and we were interested in them, but didn’t play with them last week for a variety of reasons.

We enjoyed our time with them. They are very new to lifestyle and had a fair number of questions. They were articulate and smart. June was a bit overwhelmed by her experience at the club and while we didn’t get the full story we could tell she is a bit less enthusiastic about everything than Paul is.

We didn’t make any future plans but if the opportunity to play with them comes up in the future the odds of us agreeing to do so is significantly higher now.

Dinner and desert

Jeff and Mindy invited us to dinner on Saturday night. We brought a bottle of wine and sipped wine while taking and waiting for dinner to complete. They are quite pleasurable to talk to and we had a great conversation all through dinner.

After dinner they wanted to do Karaoke. They have the equipment in their living room and apparently do this frequently. Jo and I don’t do Karaoke. Any attempt to do so would have probably caused the cats to attempt fleeing the house, neighbors to call the police, and our hosts to ask us to leave.

Jeff and Mindy demonstrated they can sing without any danger of arrest or cruelty to animals and we applauded them. Mindy disappeared to change clothes and came back wearing lingerie and sang another song, announcing that, “This is the last one, because Bob and I are exiting after I finish this one.” She sang her song, received her well deserved applause and came over to me. I stood kissed her and we headed off to the bedroom. I looked behind me was we left the room and saw that Jo and Jeff were deep into a kiss of their own.

Mindy and I had a great time in bed together. Of all the different women I have had sex with, all the people I have talked about sex, and all the reading I have done I have never experiences, seen, or heard of something Mindy had done. She had put powdered sugar on her genitals! When I went down on her it was very sweet. This was dessert.

Jo and Jeff were in a different bedroom but probably an hour after we departed the living room they joined us in the room Mindy and I were in. We all lay around in bed talking and cuddling for another hour or so before we Jo and I went home, then had sex again as Jo told me the details of her sex with Jeff. We went to sleep and then had sex again the next morning.

Zoning, EMTs, and puritans

When creating a sex club there are some issues unique to the “industry”. Probably the biggest problem sex clubs have is zoning. This case from Arlington Texas is a typical example:

The operators of a swingers club at an upscale north Arlington home say they will fight the city’s efforts to shut down their weekend parties.

On Wednesday, Arlington officials sent the owners of the house in the 2400 block of North Cooper Street a letter telling them to shut down immediately, accusing them of illegally operating a home-based business.

The clubs in our area tell me they work with local officials and generally have no problems of this type.

Aside from zoning there are things of importance that need to be thought through and have some sort of plan in place for the operators and patrons of the clubs.

The biggest issue that I know of which happened at Club Pyrite is one time a woman had a medial emergency. The ambulance EMTs had what seemed to be a rather large escort from the police. We suspected it was because they wanted to see what it was like inside the club but we don’t really know for sure.

I was at the club at the time. While someone was calling 911 other people were notifying people in the club the EMTs, and probably police, would be showing up soon and to leave if we didn’t want to be there. We were welcome to stay and were told the path the emergency responders would be taking. We were asked to stay out of the area so they could have room to get the stretcher in and out. It was suggested we might want to be dressed, but again it was our choice.

I was sitting in the hot tub and the time which had a view of the locker room entrance where the woman collapsed. I elected to stay in the hot tub and see how it all went down. I watched the EMTs and police arrive, the woman leave on a stretcher, and then the police leave after asking a few questions of some of the people who witnessed the woman collapse. It seemed to be handled professionally as near as I could tell.

Jo and I saw the police at the club one other time when some guy got upset about something, was asked to leave, and things didn’t go as smoothly as they should have. The police arrived in the parking lot and made sure the guy left the property.

I have heard of cases in other states where there have been police raids on clubs. Sometimes there have been accusations of sex for money and other times alcohol and nudity issues. But people in the lifestyle always have the suspicion that it’s really a puritan issue where the authorities are afraid that someone, somewhere, is having fun.